Thinking outside the bubble

EVERY NOW AND THEN I am reminded that no matter how mainstream, moderate, and refined a gentleman I consider myself to be, there is always someone who can demolish that assumption in a second.

My version of conservativism is a painting composed with random touches of leave-me-alone libertarianism, we-are-doomed traditionalism (or should I say mark-steynism?), and having a distinct theme of America as the "city on a hill". As my positions are clearly defined in most areas, I have befriended a number of people who think the same. Although I can't escape the treasonous blather of the MSM, I make sure not to waste time discussing politics with someone from the other camp.

And to minimize the risk of turning a friend into an acquaintance, and an acquaintance into a hostile stranger, I avoid politics as much as I can.

Which brings me to the obvious: when politics cannot be avoided, you would be surprised by the number of things people actually believe.

I had two encounters that made me think hard. One was a friend-of-a-friend whom I met at a party. Let's say his name was Alan. He's educated, charming, and moderate in vocabulary. He's lived in Europe for many years now. When I asked him when he's going to return to America, he replied, When European armies liberate us. He then continued with a passionate tirade about Bushitler, no blood for oil!, and how pro-Bush the New York Times is.

The second was an English couple from my Bible study group. Whenever we come to their place, I can feel the glory of the British Empire restored. They have a well-behaved dog and a real fireplace; on the coffee table lies The Daily Telegraph. Yet when we eventually brought up the P word, all hell broke loose. And I realized that half of our group honestly believes the U.S. went into Iraq for oil, and that the whole "liberation thing" was a cynical ploy.

So here I am now, wondering how moderate I can really be if the "moderate" school of thought teaches that America is inherently evil or corrupt or incompetent or all things at once, and even people with whom I share many values subscribe to it.

Yes, you are an extremist, my wife said when I couldn't keep it to myself anymore. Well, so be it. At least now I know.

by Tomas Kohl | last updated 16.11.2005, 9:51
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There's no argument with such people, Thom. The problem is they've made up their minds without using facts... or, more correctly, had their minds made up FOR them without facts. Mere facts, therefore cannot change their minds away from this lie they've built up.


posted by Bithead on 16.11.2005, 10:29

I get the same feeling whenever I talk to just about anyone around here. Most of my coworkers humor me even if they figure I've got a personal Karl Rove mind-control implant of my Very Own (tm).

If it makes you feel any better, my experience is that many "moderates" are just moonbats who don't like to argue...


posted by X on 16.11.2005, 17:44

You are well spoken and well read Tomas. Many reasonable adults like the pleasure of debate. If they are too lazy or stupid to appreciate your opinions, stick to talking about the weather. It's their loss.

You are not extreme, but passionate. ;)


posted by Laura on 17.11.2005, 18:14

Thank you, guys.

Be it as it may, man is defining his position in context, and the one I am in is extremely unfavorable to my beliefs. Happily, I am no longer prone to burst out in desperation; after all, I am doing just fine given the circumstances.


posted by Tomas on 18.11.2005, 12:56

Hi Thomas- long time without comment- I linked to a post of yours way back from my blog Talking Hoarsely. I'd just like to say how intelligent and balanced your views are in my experience (occasional but persistent visitor).

I can also talk about having similar 'Christian' friendships somewhat blown apart by my support of the Iraq war. Something else too- I'm actually living in Prague, as I have been for over a year now; teaching English and the like. Thought I'd mention it in case you want to swap thoughts. Oh, and I was 13 in November 1989 too- just old enough to appreciate something of what I was seeing on the screens at the time.


posted by ed on 21.11.2005, 12:37