Intellectuals and society

Laura wants a debate on intellectuals in general and their value to society. I am not happy with the broad scope as provided in the Mirriam-Webster dictionary:

Main Entry: in tel lec tu al
Function: adjective
1 a : of or relating to the intellect or its use b : developed or chiefly guided by the intellect rather than by emotion or experience : RATIONAL c : requiring use of the intellect
2 a : given to study, reflection, and speculation b : engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellect
That's basically everyone who's not working manually, and yes, it would be me, too.

Let's take a look at Wikipedia instead:

An intellectual is a person who uses his or her intellect to study, reflect, and speculate on a variety of different ideas. In some contexts, especially journalistic speech, intellectual often refers to academics, generally in the humanities, especially philosophy, who speak about various issues of social or political import. These are so-called public intellectuals - in effect communicators.

Much better. Now, how about value? The only way to measure value, the sole method of testing it is to put it in the marketplace. "In neoclassical economics, the value of an object or service is often seen as nothing but the price it would bring in a open and competitive market. This is determined primarily by the demand for the object relative to supply." If want to debate the value of intellectuals, we have to examine how they are doing in a competitive environment.

Thomas Jefferson, whom Laura cites as one of thinkers whose "thousands and thousands of words still evoke debate and leave questions unanswered. Because there is disagreement on their philosophies, because no definitive goals are reached, Tomas would prefer that they have kept their thoughts to themselves?" He was a political philosopher and he wrote a lot. He was also the third president of the United States. He might have left many questions unanswered, but he was unafraid to test them in the marketplace of ideas, and practiced what he preached. In other words, he was unafraid of accountability. He stood by his words.

Then there's a legion of other intellectuals, tenured professors at state-run colleges and universities across Europe and elsewhere, journalists, think-tank associates, people who are free to say and write anything without having to practice it. It's difficult to assess their valuie outside the academia. Karl Marx never ran for office, never ran a business. He had an influence nevertheless, and the world would have been a better place if he hadn't been born in the first place. What I am saying is that personal involvement is necessary, and intellectuals who fail the reality check should reconsider their career priorities.

This is an ongoing argument and in order to keep it interesting to anyone else, I'll continue in my upcoming posts and show some real-world examples.

by Tomas Kohl | last updated 29.08.2004, 3:09
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"the sole way to value something is to put it to the marketplace," wrong. I value my friendships, my family, and my time. You can put those in the marketplace. How'd we get to economics? You're changing the focus again Tomas.


posted by Laura on 29.08.2004, 10:06

can't


posted by Laura on 29.08.2004, 10:06

Read it again. The only way of measuring value is to test it in the marketplace. Obviously you don't need to measure your friendships this way. It's you changing focus, Laura... :)


posted by Tomas on 29.08.2004, 10:25

My own feeling is that in our "knowledge society", the ancient quality called wisdom is disposed in favor of "knowledge," particularly of the book-learned variety. The most successful - and remembered - intellectuals are usually those who combine knowledge with wisdom, and aren't just churning book-learned knowledge in ever-fancier ways.

I always think wisdom is an interesting concept, and is far harder to quantify and discuss than knowledge, since it is harder to classify and quantify than book-learning. You can't, in general, discuss wisdom in an examination, although when someone is truly wise, it is usually clear to other wise people.

If I may be so bold, I'd say that a crucial part of wisdom is diversity of experience, as well as substantial experience with failure. Someone who has always been successful won't be particularly wise. For this reasons, plenty of professors, having lived their entire lives in the cloistered halls of academia, aren't terribly wise - they have little diversity of experience, and typically little knowledge of failure. OTOH, failed businessmen, politicians who have lost elections, etc are often quite wise, particularly if they're reflective enough to think through the reasons for their failures. (If they blame failure on outside agencies or "society", they are often quite unwise, and stay that way.)

Anyway, sorry for rambling - just wanted to introduce another monkeywrench into the discussion...


posted by Foobarista on 29.08.2004, 10:51

I think you should have a blog. :) Your comment certainly deserves a post and a discussion. Wanna guest-blog it here?


posted by Tomas Kohl on 30.08.2004, 8:15

My understanding of this argument is that Tomas doesn't think that intellectuals have value. First, I tried to come to a common definition of intellectual. Second, we have to do the same for value.

Tomas, there doesn't have to be a measurement of said value. It can either have value or not. It does not have to have x amount of value.

Not trying to nitpick, but how can the debate progress if we hold differing definitions?

And the Wikipedia definition is esstentially the same, only it goes further explaining that intellectuals are frequently journalists or professors.

And I think that there is certainly advantages to thinkers free of the encumbrance of practicalities. Again, no one should be stopped "thinking" and musing on one's thoughts to apply them. It's beneficial but should not be necessary.

Foobarista, monkeywrenches aside... your thoughts are compelling.


posted by Laura on 30.08.2004, 12:38

May I add the definition of "intellectual" from Ambrose Bierce's dictionary? "Employed on the 'Bulletin' in the department of Art, Literature and Agriculture; residing in Boston; near-sighted."


posted by Jon Spencer on 03.09.2004, 4:47

I like Ayn Rand's definition best.


posted by Laura on 04.09.2004, 20:51

Would you care to post it here?


posted by Tomas on 04.09.2004, 22:33